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Post by Robbie Valiant, P.I. on Nov 7, 2008 23:15:25 GMT -5
I've heard loosely that obama wants to stop the war, I like that. And while that would be a good thing, I just... don't agree with most of his policies. Also it bothers me more than a little bit that both he and his wife have said they aren't proud of America. :/ I'm a bit more bothered about the church he sat in for 20 years (*BLEEP* America, US of KKKA, 9/11= "America's chickens, come home to roost."), and his deals with a slum lord... You can't say that that amount of time around that kind of crowd without it rubbing off.
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Post by Blacksteel on Nov 8, 2008 11:10:10 GMT -5
Wow. Everywhere else I've gone, people are ecstatic about Obama winning. Not like I was really interested in the whole political affair, but I think he'll be a better president than McCain. I don't support abortion, but I see it as a necessary evil in some cases. And I can understand why Obama and his family aren't proud of America.
Gradual change is a necessity, because changes don't happen overnight, but you have to start somewhere if you expect to make some changes for the better. I'm not saying Obama is the one who will accomplish all this -- I doubt you'll be able to change much in four years' time. And politicians are the same everywhere -- no one is uncorrupted by power. But for change to happen, you have to start somewhere -- someone has to take the first step. But I don't think change will ever happen if we don't try to work it out and cooperate...
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Post by Robbie Valiant, P.I. on Nov 8, 2008 12:02:51 GMT -5
Wow. Everywhere else I've gone, people are ecstatic about Obama winning. Not like I was really interested in the whole political affair, but I think he'll be a better president than McCain. I don't support abortion, but I see it as a necessary evil in some cases. And I can understand why Obama and his family aren't proud of America. Gradual change is a necessity, because changes don't happen overnight, but you have to start somewhere if you expect to make some changes for the better. I'm not saying Obama is the one who will accomplish all this -- I doubt you'll be able to change much in four years' time. And politicians are the same everywhere -- no one is uncorrupted by power. But for change to happen, you have to start somewhere -- someone has to take the first step. But I don't think change will ever happen if we don't try to work it out and cooperate... See, I subscribe to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," and I believe health care isn't broken, and neither is the approach of getting advice from military officials on the war rather than just breaking off for no good reason and practically inviting terrorism.
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Post by eez on Nov 8, 2008 14:05:04 GMT -5
My, are the Scarabaeoidea larva disturbed!
Firstly, I want to thank the maker of this board because whenever you make something even remotely with politics as a topic, you're bound to create schisms wherever they may be. Regardless, though, it is a healthy thing to discuss seeing as how it promotes different views and ideologies.
Now, down to dirty business. I, for one, am satisfied that Obama made presidency--oops! Is the president-elect--and can't wait for some of his policies to start. Number one, his tax plan. Great stuff. No tax increase on anyone who doesn't make 250k in one year, that is about 95% of the country (if the statistics are correct). Bigger taxes on Oil corporations. Under McCain, or that one as he said, would have given a 4 BILLION dollar tax break to a company that made already nearly 15 billion in this last quarter alone. Does that sound right to you? Also, fines on companies who try to take their business to places such as Mexico, China, and India for cheaper labour. Tax those companies for taking away American jobs! Obama also plans to give better benefits to American-owned companies in the USA for staying within the country.
As for Health Care, it is too, broken. I don't know about you, but where I'm currently stationed, more than 6.5million Americans in my state alone are uninsured because the darn system is just too freakin' much. We pay hidden taxes, and people are hurting. Maybe not all states feel the blow of a burdening health care, but mine sure does, and people need relief. Obama plans to lower the cost so that medication is more affordable, while McCain planned to offer a 5k tax credit. HELLO. Not only is that tax credit going to be TAXED, but under my currently plan, I spend about 12k a year instead of 5k. Where am I going to come up with the rest!? That's 7k! I sure can't pull that out of thin air! Also, with a damaged health care, it makes it hard to pay employees. The higher the cost, the more owners want to lay off people because of rising demands.
America? Great? It used to be. Because of deregulation on the last term, prices have fallen, companies became greedy, and Americans were suckered into mortgages they couldn't afford and now everyone is in a slump. If America hurts, so does the rest of the world. Iceland went bankrupt, ING overseas filed for help, the UK, Europe, Asia even, all felt a blow because America finally collapsed under the credit crisis. A while ago, McCain said the economy was great. Great? Yeah all right, sure. The houses going down for foreclosure is a sign that the economy is great. I'll dig that, along with my 401k plan going down as well. Great.
War? All right, it sounded great back then when Osama launched his attack, but now...now it is a burden. It costs 10billion a month to keep the war in Iraq going, money that we could use here to help our nation. C'mon! The Iraqis have over 60billion of their own just sitting there, money that they could use themselves to get their country back up and running! Saddam is dead! Osama is believed to be in Afghanistan! Irag is not Afghanistan! It's not a hard puzzle to fit! Let the Iraqis kill each other over their own beliefs. The Sunnis, the Shiites, the Kurds. Let them duke it out. We have problems of our own.
So there you have it. My two dollars on everything discussed here so far, minus Abortion--for that sure is a touchy subject! Oh, that's right. You no longer need a man anymore to reproduce. In vitro fertilization takes the male factor out, only the man's 'essence', if you will, is required and men have those a dime a million. Course, that also means genetic factors are to be weighed, but that goes without saying right?
Anyway, we can only hope that the next president holds his promises well and get us all out of the mess before another Great Depression hits. Who knows? He might be a great president, he might not. We'll see come January 20th, when he takes office.
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Post by Blacksteel on Nov 8, 2008 14:29:05 GMT -5
See, I subscribe to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," and I believe health care isn't broken, and neither is the approach of getting advice from military officials on the war rather than just breaking off for no good reason and practically inviting terrorism. When you refer to health care not being broken, do you mean that the system that provides health care is faultless? Forgive me for sounding ignorant, but I was under the impression by the documentary "Sicko" that health care in America is... not at its best. Also, I don't think ending the war will invite terrorism. Rather, if you maintain a mature stance and deal with the situation logically and rationally, you'll probably be able to prevent outbreaks of terrorism. ETA: I just noticed EEZ's post, and I agree to a certain extent, specifically on the fact that the war should end. I won't pretend that I understand everything about the taxes and all the other stuff you mentioned but... even though we may hope Obama will keep to his promises, don't forget that power corrupts... and as the infamous Zurg once said, "Innocent politicians? Don't be oxymoronic!" ...Trying to make a suddenly dead-serious thread a tad lighter with some crack amongst the seriousness. ^^;;
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Post by Warp Darkmatter on Nov 8, 2008 16:18:45 GMT -5
First, eez, you're welcome. I just wanted to see others opinions on the subject, but it wasn't and still isn't meant to start a war between us members.
Second, there are a lot of well-supported opinons here. Doesn't mean I agree with all of them, I have my own, but still the reasons are strong.
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Post by Robbie Valiant, P.I. on Nov 8, 2008 16:49:10 GMT -5
My, are the Scarabaeoidea larva disturbed! Firstly, I want to thank the maker of this board because whenever you make something even remotely with politics as a topic, you're bound to create schisms wherever they may be. Regardless, though, it is a healthy thing to discuss seeing as how it promotes different views and ideologies. Now, down to dirty business. I, for one, am satisfied that Obama made presidency--oops! Is the president-elect--and can't wait for some of his policies to start. Number one, his tax plan. Great stuff. No tax increase on anyone who doesn't make 250k in one year, that is about 95% of the country (if the statistics are correct). Bigger taxes on Oil corporations. Under McCain, or that one as he said, would have given a 4 BILLION dollar tax break to a company that made already nearly 15 billion in this last quarter alone. Does that sound right to you? Also, fines on companies who try to take their business to places such as Mexico, China, and India for cheaper labour. Tax those companies for taking away American jobs! Obama also plans to give better benefits to American-owned companies in the USA for staying within the country. As for Health Care, it is too, broken. I don't know about you, but where I'm currently stationed, more than 6.5million Americans in my state alone are uninsured because the darn system is just too freakin' much. We pay hidden taxes, and people are hurting. Maybe not all states feel the blow of a burdening health care, but mine sure does, and people need relief. Obama plans to lower the cost so that medication is more affordable, while McCain planned to offer a 5k tax credit. HELLO. Not only is that tax credit going to be TAXED, but under my currently plan, I spend about 12k a year instead of 5k. Where am I going to come up with the rest!? That's 7k! I sure can't pull that out of thin air! Also, with a damaged health care, it makes it hard to pay employees. The higher the cost, the more owners want to lay off people because of rising demands. America? Great? It used to be. Because of deregulation on the last term, prices have fallen, companies became greedy, and Americans were suckered into mortgages they couldn't afford and now everyone is in a slump. If America hurts, so does the rest of the world. Iceland went bankrupt, ING overseas filed for help, the UK, Europe, Asia even, all felt a blow because America finally collapsed under the credit crisis. A while ago, McCain said the economy was great. Great? Yeah all right, sure. The houses going down for foreclosure is a sign that the economy is great. I'll dig that, along with my 401k plan going down as well. Great. War? All right, it sounded great back then when Osama launched his attack, but now...now it is a burden. It costs 10billion a month to keep the war in Iraq going, money that we could use here to help our nation. C'mon! The Iraqis have over 60billion of their own just sitting there, money that they could use themselves to get their country back up and running! Saddam is dead! Osama is believed to be in Afghanistan! Irag is not Afghanistan! It's not a hard puzzle to fit! Let the Iraqis kill each other over their own beliefs. The Sunnis, the Shiites, the Kurds. Let them duke it out. We have problems of our own. So there you have it. My two dollars on everything discussed here so far, minus Abortion--for that sure is a touchy subject! Oh, that's right. You no longer need a man anymore to reproduce. In vitro fertilization takes the male factor out, only the man's 'essence', if you will, is required and men have those a dime a million. Course, that also means genetic factors are to be weighed, but that goes without saying right? Anyway, we can only hope that the next president holds his promises well and get us all out of the mess before another Great Depression hits. Who knows? He might be a great president, he might not. We'll see come January 20th, when he takes office. Look, I'm not against ending the war- I'm against ending it IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE OPINIONS OF THE PEOPLE WE PAY TO ANALYZE IT, the way Barrack appears to support. That's INVITING more terrorism, IMHO.
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Post by RedRage on Nov 8, 2008 16:50:55 GMT -5
My, are the Scarabaeoidea larva disturbed! Firstly, I want to thank the maker of this board because whenever you make something even remotely with politics as a topic, you're bound to create schisms wherever they may be. STOP! as an administrator I must end this!, you're doing it wrong. NO politics. NO Religion. Buzz Lightyear ONLY. Final destination
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Post by Robbie Valiant, P.I. on Nov 8, 2008 17:11:12 GMT -5
Buzz Lightyear ONLY. Final destinationThat makes me think... What do you think each of Team Lightyear's political views are? XD Booster, to me, seems like a country conservative. Mira, I'm thinking more a socially progressive liberal. Buzz, I'd say is a conservative, but that's mostly due to his very military attitude. *shrugs* And XR... Oh, XR, I doubt he cares at all about politics, other than the candidate's view on robosexuality! XD (Robosexuality- Noun, human-robot relationships. Stolen from Lovingly borrowed from Futurama.
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Post by ChapstickFantastic on Nov 8, 2008 17:34:06 GMT -5
Buzz Lightyear ONLY. Final destinationThat makes me think... What do you think each of Team Lightyear's political views are? XD Booster, to me, seems like a country conservative. Mira, I'm thinking more a socially progressive liberal. Buzz, I'd say is a conservative, but that's mostly due to his very military attitude. *shrugs* And XR... Oh, XR, I doubt he cares at all about politics, other than the candidate's view on robosexuality! XD (Robosexuality- Noun, human-robot relationships. Stolen from Lovingly borrowed from Futurama. I think that in the future, all the political parties and terms and interest groups will change completely, like they're already beginning to. (Like in Doctor Who. Don't shoot me plz.) I mean, no-ones a part of the Wihg party anymore, amirite?
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Post by Robbie Valiant, P.I. on Nov 8, 2008 17:36:53 GMT -5
That makes me think... What do you think each of Team Lightyear's political views are? XD Booster, to me, seems like a country conservative. Mira, I'm thinking more a socially progressive liberal. Buzz, I'd say is a conservative, but that's mostly due to his very military attitude. *shrugs* And XR... Oh, XR, I doubt he cares at all about politics, other than the candidate's view on robosexuality! XD (Robosexuality- Noun, human-robot relationships. Stolen from Lovingly borrowed from Futurama. I think that in the future, all the political parties and terms and interest groups will change completely, like they're already beginning to. (Like in Doctor Who. Don't shoot me plz.) I mean, no-ones a part of the Wihg party anymore, amirite? Well, of course they don't use our terms, I'm just using them for convenience and not knowing what their terms would be.
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Post by BandGeek727 on Nov 9, 2008 0:36:49 GMT -5
And I can understand why Obama and his family aren't proud of America. What bothers me is not that they think America has problems - America has plenty of problems - I think America has problems and I’m still proud to live in it. To me a statement like his reflects disloyalty - if he doesn’t care for this country, why does he want to lead it? (Maybe I’m just reading too much into it. But it bothers me.) As does that issue. That wasn’t Bush's idea, it was the Democrats'. Furthermore - and I apologize if this sounds callous - I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who bought houses they knew they couldn’t afford under a flawed system (I have a hard time believing they were truly conned into doing so)- especially if it means that people who didn’t make that mistake will now have to pay to help bail them out of trouble. I just want to close by saying that I hope I am wrong, I really do hope Obama proves me wrong and turns out to be a great president. (PS - EEZ! Good to hear from you! It's been a while! ^^)
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Post by NinjaRabbit on Nov 10, 2008 16:55:22 GMT -5
Oh boy, here I go.
First of all, let me say, I do wish Obama well in his presidency, and I think it is kind of cool to see that we now have a black president.
However, I don't agree with many of Obama's policies - mainly on abortion, like you guys have stated already. And also, my family and I are pretty major conservatives.
I also am kind of offended by Obama's statement about "clinging to guns and religion." Since I am a Christian, this really upset me. Clinging to my religion? This is America, freedom of religion.
So, that's really all I have to say. I'm not too hot on Obama winning, but I do wish him well, like any other president.
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Post by ChapstickFantastic on Nov 10, 2008 17:58:16 GMT -5
I think that in the future, all the political parties and terms and interest groups will change completely, like they're already beginning to. (Like in Doctor Who. Don't shoot me plz.) I mean, no-ones a part of the Wihg party anymore, amirite? Well, of course they don't use our terms, I'm just using them for convenience and not knowing what their terms would be. Yeah, yeah, I know, I just think that the issues would be different, so at this point we can't really judge well. *shrug* But I guess you can if you want. ROLF PILF I, OKAYZ?
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Post by Blacksteel on Nov 12, 2008 9:39:01 GMT -5
@ Robbie: I think Obama meant it more like that an immediate action must be taken, as in something about the war has to be done, but sooner than later. Though I haven't actually heard the way he said it, so I can't be a proper judge. ^^;;
@ BandGeek: I wouldn't call it disloyalty. I'd say it's just that Obama's not blind to the fact and he's openly expressing his opinion in hopes of opening others' eyes. Sometimes, you need to be blunt, or else the other person won't get what you're trying to say. Or maybe I'm just trying to analyze it too much myself. 8DD
@ NinjaRabbit: I think what Obama meant about "clinging to religion," specifically, is that we're generally too close-minded regarding accepting the religion of others. As in, what should it matter who or what someone believes in? That shouldn't be a reason to not accept them. At least that's how I see it.
@ RedRage: I thought this thread was already going into a political, religious debatable thingamajiggy before EEZ's crazy-long post? Or maybe that was just me. ^^;;
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