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Post by greedyslayer on Jun 26, 2008 0:09:43 GMT -5
If she doesn't recognize Buzz the first time around, I don't think she'll recognize Nos the first time around either. Ah, sudden memory--another point of amusing parody, you're right blacksteel!
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Post by ckret2 on Jun 26, 2008 0:11:06 GMT -5
Just because she got a body transplant doesn't mean that all of her programming before she became sentient wasn't stored somewhere. Maybe when she was getting a new body, her systems automatically made a copy of everything that was on her hard disk before she became sentient. Mhmm, so the data could definitely be stored somewhere in her now. The only question is how long it'd take for her to recognize Nos, right? Since she seems to have difficulty recalling anyone who got anywhere near her before she became sentient... Or, if she DID recognize him immediately, what if Nos tried to convince her that he had changed/that he hadn't had a choice/that the Evil Emperor Zurg put him up to it/et cetera? If he struck on the right lie, he might convince her that he's harmless now. Which would certainly be a stretch, but it's possible, isn't it? Since I see this idea as being surprisingly capable of being made into an actual ep. in the series, if it had lasted longer, the story arc would have to (predictably) end with Nos and 42 breaking up to say the least. And THAT you came up with above would be the in-ep. scene to do that break. Oh yeah. That's the scene where 42 is moments away from handing something vitally important to Nos but changes her mind at the last minute. (And then XR bursts in to save the day and gets grabbed by Nos and then 42 has to save HIM. Or something crazy like that.) I smiled while reading this. Because it would make such good fanfic material in the hands of a good writer! I can totally see 42 falling for Tall, Dark And Handsome. But... true, she didn't recognize Buzz, so she probably wouldn't even recognize NOS... the scenario of her suddenly remembering though cracks me up. It reminds me of all those soap operas you see on TV! XDDD ;D I'd be thrilled to see someone write a fic of this. (I might myself, when I finish some of my other fics and/or go insane and decide I really need to be working on nine fics at the same time...)
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Post by greedyslayer on Jun 26, 2008 0:27:08 GMT -5
If you write that fic, can I still write that fic? We'd have different versions! XD But I dunno if I could do that one right away, I'm heavily distracted with doing my own mad speculation of the alternate Nos from Evil Lightyear's dimension.
LOL, I hadn't thought of XR trying to save the day, but then naturally Nos grabs him, and then 42 has to save him; I was more impatiently thinking that right then and there Nos and her would have the throwdown, buy I like your version better, just for the lulz of yet another XR vs. Nos situation, or more like Nos-has-XR-taken-hostage-AGAIN (man, I love their hero/enemy relationship--they're my favorite archenemies in the show).
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 26, 2008 0:31:42 GMT -5
Or, if she DID recognize him immediately, what if Nos tried to convince her that he had changed/that he hadn't had a choice/that the Evil Emperor Zurg put him up to it/et cetera? If he struck on the right lie, he might convince her that he's harmless now. Which would certainly be a stretch, but it's possible, isn't it? True, that could work... but wouldn't she recognize her pilot Buzz rather than a random attacker NOS? I mean, she has been attacked several times under Buzz's lead... if she didn't recognize Buzz, why recognize NOS? ;D I'd be thrilled to see someone write a fic of this. (I might myself, when I finish some of my other fics and/or go insane and decide I really need to be working on nine fics at the same time...) I'd love to see a fic of it myself, and I would probably like to undertake it (haha, 3 people are already rubbing their hands to write this!), if I myself wasn't caught up with writing... *checks the number off her fingers* 7 fics. No wait, 8! Because I have a plotbunny! But for some reason I have a strange Writer's Block... I can write SOME things but not other things, despite all the ideas I have. Pathetic, isn't it?
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Post by ckret2 on Jun 26, 2008 0:45:08 GMT -5
True, that could work... but wouldn't she recognize her pilot Buzz rather than a random attacker NOS? I mean, she has been attacked several times under Buzz's lead... if she didn't recognize Buzz, why recognize NOS? Yeah, I'd think she wouldn't recognize him, too. But loony was making the point that she MIGHT remember, so that was the "okay, so what if she did?" theory. I'd love to see a fic of it myself, and I would probably like to undertake it (haha, 3 people are already rubbing their hands to write this!), if I myself wasn't caught up with writing... *checks the number off her fingers* 7 fics. No wait, 8! Because I have a plotbunny! But for some reason I have a strange Writer's Block... I can write SOME things but not other things, despite all the ideas I have. Pathetic, isn't it? Ehn, I've got the same problem. Someone HAS to write this fic now. Or, heck, we all write it and start a fanbase for the pairing. That could work. And we'd have MORE fic to read! ... it needs an official pairing name by now, doesn't it? If you write that fic, can I still write that fic? We'd have different versions! XD But I dunno if I could do that one right away, I'm heavily distracted with doing my own mad speculation of the alternate Nos from Evil Lightyear's dimension. Do please write it! ;D And omg, I think I love you now for Evil-Lightyear-dimension!Nos. And I don't even know what you'd do with him. What WOULD you do with him? (I personally think he'd work at Cosmo's with Zurg, frycooking or something. And then he'd be all confused if he came to the Good Lightyear universe and Cosmo was completely freaked out to see him.) LOL, I hadn't thought of XR trying to save the day, but then naturally Nos grabs him, and then 42 has to save him; I was more impatiently thinking that right then and there Nos and her would have the throwdown, buy I like your version better, just for the lulz of yet another XR vs. Nos situation, or more like Nos-has-XR-taken-hostage-AGAIN (man, I love their hero/enemy relationship--they're my favorite archenemies in the show). They do make wonderful enemies, don't they? And boy, would that make for a weird situation. 42 has to save her old ex from her soon-to-be-new ex. "42, you saved me! Does this mean we're together again?" "No."
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Post by levy120 on Jun 26, 2008 0:48:45 GMT -5
You know I'm writing something with the theories of all this since February... Though it'll be still more XR/42 centered than Nos/42 (if even at all)
Nos main-interest there is a free-will-bait...
Totally ^^
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 26, 2008 0:59:39 GMT -5
If you write that fic, can I still write that fic? We'd have different versions! XD But I dunno if I could do that one right away, I'm heavily distracted with doing my own mad speculation of the alternate Nos from Evil Lightyear's dimension. Do please write it! ;D And omg, I think I love you now for Evil-Lightyear-dimension!Nos. And I don't even know what you'd do with him. What WOULD you do with him? (I personally think he'd work at Cosmo's with Zurg, frycooking or something. And then he'd be all confused if he came to the Good Lightyear universe and Cosmo was completely freaked out to see him.) I can't believe I didn't catch that! I'd love to see someone handle AU NOS! The mental image of him working at Cosmo's is cracktastic! (Hmmm... but odd that Cosmo's still exists. Maybe Zurg owns it now and he just called it Cosmo's and the real Cosmo is a criminal?)
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Post by ckret2 on Jun 26, 2008 1:08:36 GMT -5
I can't believe I didn't catch that! I'd love to see someone handle AU NOS! The mental image of him working at Cosmo's is cracktastic! (Hmmm... but odd that Cosmo's still exists. Maybe Zurg owns it now and he just called it Cosmo's and the real Cosmo is a criminal?) Who knows how Cosmo's is still standing? But, crazy canon is crazy; Zurg definitely works there in the canon!AU... That sounds weird. A canon alternate universe. It's almost an oxymoron.
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Post by greedyslayer on Jun 26, 2008 1:09:38 GMT -5
If she eventually recognized him, I could definitely see Nos pull the programming-made-me-do-it card (since if I think that's moment of great controversy, robots themselves must wonder about it themselves at least once; how much programming really affects them). The hypothetical ep. would end with 42 saying, no XR, we're still not together, sorry baby. Uh, ship name...4A2? It is funny how many people are considering writing this fic. Do please write it! ;D And omg, I think I love you now for Evil-Lightyear-dimension!Nos. And I don't even know what you'd do with him. What WOULD you do with him? (I personally think he'd work at Cosmo's with Zurg, frycooking or something. And then he'd be all confused if he came to the Good Lightyear universe and Cosmo was completely freaked out to see him.) Especially after the events in 'Dirty Work.' (That's too cute and funny.) Since I love NOS that much, of course I wondered, "well, what about the version of him in Evil Lightyear's world?" amid the already awesome story. Because, you know, (perhaps thankfully), they don't address every alternate change/version in Evil Lightyear's dimension. My wild speculation into wild AU fic plans is shaping up to be a really dark saga, and taking at least one version of NOS in a direction that I've personally wanted to see in fic, and done well. Your idea's so sweet and lighthearted, my brain's a little fried comparing it with my dark ideas; I don't know how it got that dark, it just did. I kinda want to keep the details under wraps for now (for fear of rejection admittedly; when I present it, I want it to seem well written and convincing--but that may change if I ask for someone to please edit), but if you really want to know now, I can give a gist/impression, or try to put up a sorta prologue/extended preview fic up tomorrow, something I've been working on. And my god, while thinking of that crazy AU, I think I actually tried to make waiter/fry cook!Zurg serious. If Cosmos gets a lot of traffic from Evil Lightyear's agents maybe Zurg somehow passes on information to the Ranger Rebellion? Or he smuggles them supplies and of course food, and other relevant news, and maybe then still spy information, maybe he has a network of spy contacts. This sorta stems from an interesting deviantart discussion, of the possiblity of with Evil Buzz, there's the Good Zurg actively fighting him, or the author asserts there should've been a more direct reversal of roles (but I wonder if the ep. didn't go down the way it did to avoid that 'obvious' conclusion; still, either option sounds good, the one actually used working out more than well). And hey, maybe in this alt. universe Zurg, in a support role was actually secretly a lot more competent than Evil Emperor Zurg? (But then my idea sorta concludes with Lightyear eventually figuring out what his fry cook Zurg's been up to, is really surprised, and then Zurg's forced into hiding with the rebellion and becomes their direct cook, etc. Because. This Zurg still enjoys cooking--am I enfusing this with Ratoutille? Yes, yes I am. ;D) Back on-topic: I wonder if in Evil Buzz's world, 42 wouldn't still be his--so now I'm thinking her as one of his evil agents running around Planet L, and then she and alt. Nos cross paths and she just flirts shamelessly with him.
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Post by ckret2 on Jun 26, 2008 1:20:19 GMT -5
4A2 works perfectly. I've been dancing around with "Nos42... 4A2/42... ehnn..." for a while now. Why didn't I think of that? XD We have a pairing name! 4A2 is now official! That sounds utterly awesome, just from what you've said about Zurg. I can't wait to see what kind of stuff you're thinking about doing for Nos, even if it is a preview fic. And hey, dark is good. The canon!AU is a dark place to begin with.
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 26, 2008 1:21:32 GMT -5
4A2 sounds great! We're set! ;D
greedyslayer, I think it's better you don't reveal too many details mostly for you yourself: you might want to change something along the way while you write it. But if you're up to start writing it feel free to post it! I will read it! ^^
YEEEEES! Do something about AU!Zurg. All of that sounds stupendous! The Zurg fangirl in me is talking right now. You can ignore her if you want to. ^^
I don't think 42 would... exist in the AU though. Because Evil!Buzz had the dreadnaught... Zurg's ship... which was his in the AU though, not Zurg's... so where would she exactly fit in? (...Am I making any sense?)
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Post by ckret2 on Jun 26, 2008 1:26:42 GMT -5
I don't think 42 would... exist in the AU though. Because Evil!Buzz had the dreadnaught... Zurg's ship... which was his in the AU though, not Zurg's... so where would she exactly fit in? (...Am I making any sense?) Maybe Mira, Booster, and XR still use 42? (Although 42 was technically "Buzz's" ship...) Hey, maybe there's a little former-ship 'bot named 24 running around out there. Hey, Brain Pod 18 ran into Brain Pod 81... 42 could be replaced by 24 in the AU.
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 26, 2008 1:35:27 GMT -5
Maybe Mira, Booster, and XR still use 42? (Although 42 was technically "Buzz's" ship...) Hey, maybe there's a little former-ship 'bot named 24 running around out there. Hey, Brain Pod 18 ran into Brain Pod 81... 42 could be replaced by 24 in the AU. Oh, yes! 24 makes perfect sense! And she'd probably be a Star command ship because Evil!Buzz doesn't really have a fleet (fleet is for sailing ships, do you still use it for space ships?). But perhaps her character would be different?
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Post by greedyslayer on Jun 26, 2008 1:40:50 GMT -5
"42 wouldn't still be his"--that really doesn't grammatically convey what I meant: I wonder if 42 would still be Evil!Buzz's. I didn't expect 4A2 to be such a hit. It's just, they do both have a 4 and 2 in their names, and the A's there for the Nos part. That sounds utterly awesome, just from what you've said about Zurg. I can't wait to see what kind of stuff you're thinking about doing for Nos, even if it is a preview fic. And hey, dark is good. The canon!AU is a dark place to begin with. Yes, with this fic I can follow through with every twisted implication that ep. had. greedyslayer, I think it's better you don't reveal too many details mostly for you yourself: you might want to change something along the way while you write it. But if you're up to start writing it feel free to post it! I will read it! ^^ YEEEEES! Do something about AU!Zurg. All of that sounds stupendous! The Zurg fangirl in me is talking right now. You can ignore her if you want to. ^^Good point; my ideas are still in development and not exactly concrete, but that fic I mentioned is still almost done. Hey, Zurg fangirl! He was my favorite villain before NOS, due to how funny he was, and integral, and he was really impressive in the series premiere. And I really am rather fond of the AU!Zurg idea I thought of with waiter/fry cook/secret spy against Evil Lightyear. I don't think 42 would... exist in the AU though. Because Evil!Buzz had the dreadnaught... Zurg's ship... which was his in the AU though, not Zurg's... so where would she exactly fit in? (...Am I making any sense?) Maybe Mira, Booster, and XR still use 42? (Although 42 was technically "Buzz's" ship...) Hey, maybe there's a little former-ship 'bot named 24 running around out there. Hey, Brain Pod 18 ran into Brain Pod 81... 42 could be replaced by 24 in the AU. This just really reminds me of a weakness and maybe a strength from not seeing this ep. in forever; I don't remember some alternate versions having their numbers inverted. At all. But strength-wise, maybe it'll leave my storytelling more open (as long as I get the essence of the character and organically develop it...)
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