ckret2
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Post by ckret2 on Jun 26, 2008 1:05:51 GMT -5
I loved Nos' story/character development arc, because he definitely had one. In the beginning, very much obedient, and in the end, overthrow Zurg. And I love your 'final' addition to that cycle (only in quotes since, of course, canon didn't pan out that way). I love his arc. His first episode was kinda the pinnacle of his life, and once defeat DID become an option it just went downhill from there; overthrowing Zurg was like his last stab at glory. Doing the "final" part is definitely tricky; I've seen too many fics that just have him randomly alive again, which is a problem. :/ I'm actually writing a fic now that explains how he might end up alive again, just because I'm so tired of it being unexplained; I guess I'm considering it an unofficial explanation for all those other fics, heh. Whether or not it's in character, as blacksteel questioned: well, it is fanfiction. ;D And if written well, can come up as believable. I'm a Nos fan, he's my #1 favorite, so that probably explains my belief that, yes, it's possible, and I think if Nos is inclined to bond with anyone first, it'd be XR. I just loved that in the intro ep., their interaction while XR's mind controlled--it was so cute, XR with artifical mind control care/respect (or somehow bringing out true characteristics, but manipulating them and forcing/aiming toward Nos?), and Nos--Nos seemed downright friendly to mind controlled XR, and I mean, he didn't have to friendly to his servant. YES. I love the interaction between Nos and XR in the first episode. Just goes to show that Nos doesn't always have to be a monster--he's perfectly nice to those who follow him. Which kinda casts his later interactions with XR in an interesting light, huh? He never tried to kill XR (unless he did in Revenge of the Monsters and I forgot, but I don't think so), merely to re-control him, which certainly isn't the case with his other victims. He probably really liked having that minion. And, my personal writer-ly reason: I find the process of convincingly writing Nos learning about genuine socializing and other related stuff interesting. In fanfic, I could theoretically try to apply a variety of character arcs I want with him, he's a relatively open character personality/history-wise, and I like that. All sorts of fun to play around with. And there are so many gaps in what he's been up to even in canon... when did he get from prison to Tradeworld to Cosmo's to Canis Lupis to overthrowing Planet Z? What came between There's so much that can be filled in. On-topic: I still think platonic Nos & Mira can work, given what I said above. (Barring a bunc of history, or rising above it, they could possibly calmly neutrally discuss stuff? XP I mean, I imagine at times Nos could be polite, when not driven by his ego, or enraged, or feasting. XP) And to keep it on-topic, I concur. XD It'd take a WHOLE bunch of working around and intervening events to allow that to happen, but... well, it's fanfic. I'm inclined to imagine that ANYTHING could be possible with the right writer.
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Post by greedyslayer on Jun 26, 2008 1:28:55 GMT -5
Blacksteel: I vaguely know Kurogane; he seemed cool. NOS is just the most familiar with XR, and, among all the rogues excluding obvious XL (and that's later sorta irrelevant since he turns good, and I liked that), I think it's vice versa with XR. I love his arc. His first episode was kinda the pinnacle of his life, and once defeat DID become an option it just went downhill from there; overthrowing Zurg was like his last stab at glory. I enjoy thinking of and I want to write more of what I interpret as Nos' very perfectionist nature. ("I cannot be defeated. It's not in my programming!" To me, it says so much.) Doing the "final" part is definitely tricky; I've seen too many fics that just have him randomly alive again, which is a problem. :/ I'm actually writing a fic now that explains how he might end up alive again, just because I'm so tired of it being unexplained; I guess I'm considering it an unofficial explanation for all those other fics, heh. OMG, I've been working on that fic. ;D YES. I love the interaction between Nos and XR in the first episode. Just goes to show that Nos doesn't always have to be a monster--he's perfectly nice to those who follow him. Which kinda casts his later interactions with XR in an interesting light, huh? He never tried to kill XR (unless he did in Revenge of the Monsters and I forgot, but I don't think so), merely to re-control him, which certainly isn't the case with his other victims. He probably really liked having that minion. In Revenge of the Monsters, he doesn't try to kill XR personally (though he doesn't seem bothered when XL lies and says he did pretty much destroy him; still, it's XR who delivers the final blow and ruins his latest scheme). And even in the 'Slayer' ep. with initial revenge and desire to torture XR, he doesn't kill him. And in all the other episodes, you can interpret his fixation with XR--I've always loved his fixation with him, great continuity call--as not just traditional revenge, but wanting to get his favorite minion back (and perhaps, though he probably won't admit, because he liked calmly dealing with XR and appreciated his faux care). Also, yes, you captured what the idea I've been grasping: Nos, in a rare moment, not always being a monster (and a little more basis to my plotbunny of bonding with former enemies, especially XR). All sorts of fun to play around with. And there are so many gaps in what he's been up to even in canon... when did he get from prison to Tradeworld to Cosmo's to Canis Lupis to overthrowing Planet Z? What came between There's so much that can be filled in. Y'know, I keep forgetting he went to prison at one point. And In-Between fic rocks.
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Post by ckret2 on Jun 26, 2008 1:39:42 GMT -5
I enjoy thinking of and I want to write more of what I interpret as Nos' very perfectionist nature. ("I cannot be defeated. It's not in my programming!" To me, it says so much.) It really is a significant line. Someone said that they noticed that everyone seems to latch onto that one quote from him, but it really does so much to define his character, just in that little bit. OMG, I've been working on that fic. ;D ... Dear gods, everyone here is working on the exact same fics at the exact same time, aren't we? XDD We need to divide these up. Get together everyone who's wanting to work on the same plot, and divide things up to decide who writes Nos-coming-back-from-the-dead, who writes ghost-bot, and who writes 4A2. Oh well. Great minds think alike! And in all the other episodes, you can interpret his fixation with XR--I've always loved his fixation with him, great continuity call--as not just traditional revenge, but wanting to get his favorite minion back (and perhaps, though he probably won't admit, because he liked calmly dealing with XR and appreciated his faux care). It's just such a fun fixation. It's this lovely lovely other side to Nos that you can barely glimpse, a much more sympathetic side--he likes having a robot minion. Y'know, I keep forgetting he went to prison at one point. And In-Between fic rocks. They really underplayed the prison thing. Though, really, it looks like he went THREE times. That's obviously where he was hauled after his first ep, and then of course when he was tied up in his box after Dirty Work, and after he was "killed" (or... not) in The Slayer they probably hauled his metal carcass into a cell and left him there... either that or he left his supposedly "dead" corpse in some dumpster which is how he managed to escape... Seriously, how do the criminals in BLoSC keep escaping?! Their security systems are horrible.
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 26, 2008 1:44:34 GMT -5
...I had a NOS resurrection idea too. *whistles off-key* I say we do divide these fics or sth between us. Or we could all share our ideas on all three and collaborate. I would have loved to see scenes of NOS in prison. It would have made for great character development and provided us with more depth on his personality... like why is he only fixated with XR? ...Maybe because XR was the first robot he actually met? Somewhere in the back of his mind, NOS might have felt kindred-like feelings towards XR because of him being the first robot he came across? ...There wouldn't be much of a series if the baddies didn't always escape. ^^
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Post by ckret2 on Jun 26, 2008 1:55:25 GMT -5
...I had a NOS resurrection idea too. *whistles off-key* I say we do divide these fics or sth between us. Or we could all share our ideas on all three and collaborate. I would have loved to see scenes of NOS in prison. It would have made for great character development and provided us with more depth on his personality... like why is he only fixated with XR? ...Maybe because XR was the first robot he actually met? Somewhere in the back of his mind, NOS might have felt kindred-like feelings towards XR because of him being the first robot he came across? ...There wouldn't be much of a series if the baddies didn't always escape. ^^ Okay, it's official, we need to divide up these fic ideas. XD Honestly. If I can throw out my favorite option right now, I'd like to do the Nos-resurrection because I've actually started on that one and made some good progress with it. I tend to think that his fixation on XR is because, yeah, that's the first robot he met. (Well, the first robot we know he met--who knows if he had any experience with others on Planet Z?) Or, more importantly than that, because XR was his "first meal," so to speak. Which... somehow strikes me as really significant, although I can't come up with a good analogy as to why I think so. Maybe I could if I wasn't so tired. It is crazy-late here, why am I up? How long have I been marathon-replying to this stuff, anyway? Yeah, okay, I'm done.
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 26, 2008 1:59:19 GMT -5
I could give you an idea or two of what I have in mind, if you want. Probably through PM though. Methinks we're a biiiiit spammy.
Like... hornets? Those are the only bots on Planet Z. Ooh, first meal! That would be pretty significant... seeing as NOS is a vampire.
These time differences. *shakes head* They always get in the way. Off to bed now!
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Post by greedyslayer on Jun 26, 2008 1:59:37 GMT -5
I say we all just share fic ideas and let everyone write. Yet it'll be so much fun to discuss/collaborate. ;D I wonder with undefeatable programming line...it ETA: just doesn't define his character, and perfectionist tendencies, but maybe we can toy with how much faith he puts in programming as a new robot, and how that develops as time passes, since he does seriously defy Zurg in the end. It's just such a fun fixation. It's this lovely lovely other side to Nos that you can barely glimpse, a much more sympathetic side--he likes having a robot minion. I love making my favorite characters who happen to be villains act sympathetic. With XR, it was almost like Nos had a FRIENDI would have loved to see scenes of NOS in prison. It would have made for great character development and provided us with more depth on his personality... like why is he only fixated with XR? ...Maybe because XR was the first robot he actually met? Somewhere in the back of his mind, NOS might have felt kindred-like feelings towards XR because of him being the first robot he came across? ...There wouldn't be much of a series if the baddies didn't always escape. ^^ Apparently Easily Escapable Prisons remind me so much of Batman's Arkham Asylum. Anyway, I'm interested you thought of something I considered, and like to accept as my own fanon: XR was possibly not only the first robot he met (Hornets? Since Planet Z was sorta his first home? well, XR would be the first sentient robot he met, Hornets probably wouldn't count in that area), but the first one he attacked, fed upon, and mind controlled. What's the saying, you always remember your first? And, I think he's fixated XR because it was XR who defeated him the very first time, and like mentioned earlier, he probably did really appreciate him as a minion. (And I don't think either of them are really aware of this, but I think NOS and XR are similar in Daddy Issues, but different in the way thier issues are handled/resolved.) ETA: Oh, and good night everyone. (I say, we just post up our Nos!resurrection storys, then compare and contrast. I admit, selfishly, mine's pretty far along and I wanna see if you guys and others enjoy reading it.)
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 26, 2008 2:08:52 GMT -5
(Whoops, you made a double post. You can modify your first one by adding your extra comments from the second.)
Mine is only an idea, I haven't constructively written it yet. Writer's Block, you see. *sighs*
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Post by greedyslayer on Jun 26, 2008 2:13:47 GMT -5
I haven't constructively written most of my Evil!Lightyear expansion AU either. G'night, see you tomorrow. (And thanks for the tip on double posts. ) Oh...and romantic or friendly, whatever, verbal arguments between NOS and Mira would be rather epic (though not as epic as 3way shouting match between Mira's Dad, Buzz, and Nos).
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Post by loony on Jun 26, 2008 5:36:38 GMT -5
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 26, 2008 13:32:56 GMT -5
Gosh, just how many BLoSC forums are there? I know a Star Command one which is dead (as in no one's been posting in it for ages), this one for XR, the NOS-4-A2 one, a Zurg one... are there any more?
*off-topic but I'm curious*
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Post by loony on Jun 26, 2008 15:05:48 GMT -5
I didn't know there was a Zurg one...but other than those three, no. I think that those three are the most active BLoSC communities there are.
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Post by greedyslayer on Jun 26, 2008 17:59:56 GMT -5
I actually wish there was a whole mass of BLoSC forums and other fannish stuff. There's a Zurg forum? Please link me. I'm a part of the NOS-4-A2 forum; it's so nice to see something for him, and their youtube video at the bottom (by AK/Anne Kathrein Semper?) is <b>so</b> funny.
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Post by Alohilani on Jun 26, 2008 19:05:08 GMT -5
Anne Katrine Kamper
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Post by Eclipse'd on Jun 26, 2008 19:12:52 GMT -5
Gosh, just how many BLoSC forums are there? I know a Star Command one which is dead (as in no one's been posting in it for ages), this one for XR, the NOS-4-A2 one, a Zurg one... are there any more? *off-topic but I'm curious* The one that's dead is the Roleplaying board isn't it? Figures it would be that one, seeing as how roleplaying is my favorite thing to do. [back on topic] I can't see the pairing happen. She's not a machine, so he can't eat her. Not sure how any interest could happen there, but I haven't read all the pages so I might have missed something.
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