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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 21, 2008 14:24:36 GMT -5
Firstly, sorry for the corny title. It's what you call spur-of-the-moment inspiration. Secondly, this immensely large post derived from having pen and paper handy, a bad case of writer's block concerning anything fanfic-related, and over three hours' travel in a stifling hot bus with cramped seats. In other words, from complete and total boredom. Amazing what the mind is capable of when you have nothing better to do.
Oh, and I noticed an old thread dedicated to Zurg, but seeing as this is more of a speculation thread rather than an adoration thread, I decided to make a new one. I hope it's okay.
Anyway... on to the speculating!
Is Zurg a robot? When he asks for water (ep. "NOS-4-A2"), eats popcorn and even has to go to the bathroom with a towel and newspaper in hand (ep. "The Shape Stealer"), how can he be a robot? All right, the eating and drinking are weak points. The popcorn bounced off his teeth and we never actually saw him take a sip of that water. But if he were a robot, wouldn't he be asking for oil instead of water, like XR?
So is Zurg... humanoid? (for lack of a better term) Humanoid as in having human-like tendencies, yes. But... his hand morphs into a huge ion blaster (I forget what it's called at the moment). Supposing that were even possible with a specially-fashioned gauntlet made for that purpose, where does he store his ammunition? I've never seen him have to reload that thing. And we've never seen any legs or feet! All we've seen are indications that he has human-like legs and feet. Like when he bends sometimes and it's obvious he's bending a knee, or like when he tried to step on Buzz's hands (ep. "Stranger Invasion") so he could make him fall to his doom. And don't forget Zurg's rockets. The rockets are a major giveaway. Oh, and his laser-beam eyes! Total Darkseid mode, uh-huh. Oh, and of course, his mouth! Does he never open those teeth of his to eat? (Yes, he probably does use his mouth to eat or else he wouldn't have tossed popcorn that way.)
Wait a minute! You said he wasn't a robot... and now you're taking it back? What's the deal with Zurg?! Methinks we can't be completely sure. d--n those writers and their unfinished series! But one more thing I want to add before I reach my final verdict is this: he blinks. Oh, yeah. As in regular bug-eyed blinks. The opening and closing of eyelids. Over those bright red laser beam eyes of his. Creepy and cool at the same time.
WILL YOU GET TO THE POINT?! In a bit. So far, the fans have come up with the following theories: 1) He's like Darth Vader (a really hawt guy in a corny getup and a mask) 2) He's a robot (masquerading as a... humanoid... so to speak) 3) Or... he's the genuine article. As in the whole shebang being actually him. Cape, rockets, morphing gauntlets, the mask not being a mask but a real face... yeah, all genuine! Or, in simpler terms, Zurg being a member of a race with similar looks and attributes as his.
And now for my own 2 cents As much as I'd find it so cool for Zurg to be the real deal, logic denies it (it's the morphing gauntlet) and comes up with this rational-sounding assumption... more or less: Zurg is a cyborg]. A human-like creature with some (if not all) artificial appendages.
YOU MEAN LIKE DARTH VADER THEN! Noooo! Even though BLoSC has so many Star Wars tributes, I highly doubt the writers would go so far as to make out that Zurg is a horribly disfigured humanoid resorting to wearing a mask to hide his deformed face with artificial arms and legs because his were severed. *takes deep breath* Oh, and him being Buzz's father. The writers would have to make a superb scenario if that turned out to be the case... which I highly doubt they can pull off. It would have to be very original and not at all like the Skywalker/Vader situation. If someone manages to pull it off in a way that's not reminiscent of Star Wars and is actually a good twist to the tale, I'll commend him. Anyone?
Um... I thought we were leading this thread somewhere else...? Right! Back to cyborg-ness. I personally think that he may have lost a limb or two, hence the morphing hands and the rocket feet (or he could just be wearing rocket boots) but I have my doubts about the... mask. It might be a mask since we haven't seen him actually eat (he might need to take it off to eat and drink) or... that really could be his face. And when he eats the teeth which appeared otherwise glued together become genuine razor-sharp teeth like a voracious beast and— (I think "Evil Emperor Of Shred" is to blame for that hypothesis... ehem.)
So is this awfully long post concluding that...? Yes, it is. I DON'T KNOW. But I just wanted to share my thoughts and speculations with you all. I wrote this all down because, hopefully, we can come up with some sort of plausible theory as to... the true face of the Evil Emperor!
So what do you guys think about all this? Do you have anything else to add to the POST OF DOOM? Am I just being paranoid or do some of the things I mention make any sort of sense? I'm all ears. XDDD
ETA: I now go with the theory that Zurg is an alien. I cannot unsee it. Commence with the theories now~! *crack whip*
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Post by RedRage on Jun 21, 2008 14:38:23 GMT -5
I think zurg is organic, because of what happens in crawling flesh, all that was left of him was the zurg mask.
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 21, 2008 14:55:34 GMT -5
A cyborg doesn't necessarily mean you're completely made up of mechanic parts. It means you're organic with just an artificial appendage or two. Like Warp Darkmatter. He's now considered a cyborg because he has an artificial arm. But yeah, I'd completely forgotten about that episode, so good point!
And only his mask was left, huh? Makes you wonder...
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Post by Alohilani on Jun 21, 2008 15:11:44 GMT -5
ZURG IS AN IRKEN IN A SUIT. YEP, THAT'S WHAT HE IS. I RESIST ALL ATTEMPTS AT LOGIC!
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Post by Eclipse'd on Jun 21, 2008 15:19:28 GMT -5
Zurg is pure evil in a dress. He doesn't have a true form.
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 21, 2008 15:19:45 GMT -5
ZURG IS AN IRKEN IN A SUIT. YEP, THAT'S WHAT HE IS. I RESIST ALL ATTEMPTS AT LOGIC! Zurg is taller than Zim. And Zim stole from Zurg. BLoSC came out in 2000, Invader Zim in 2001. HA! RESISTING LOGIC IS FUTILEEEE~~!
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Post by eez on Jun 21, 2008 15:40:14 GMT -5
BLACKSTEEL. You are the Yin to my Yang! XDDD
This is just me, and I thought of all of this on a sugar-crazed afternoon, with nothing but the swaying grass and the frolicking sheep to keep my company:
For the gauntlets, I say they're really gauntlets but they morph into weapons via unknown technology. Have you seen anyone else in the series morph their gloves into weapons? Probably, but I just can't remember right now...I just woke up >_> I also say he has hands underneath them, but as for ammo...what if they're charged shots? Like, Samus Aran's regular power beam? No ammo required for that. Just the charge.
And of course he has legs! You can't have boots, if you don't have feet! I mean, you can even hear solid footsteps when he walks around on certain occasions. Are you ever going to see those feet? Probably not. Insecurities are to blame, most likely XD
As for the eyes....that's a hard one. I totally had to sleep on a sheep to get this one ready for a crazy spin. Special organs/glands behind/attached to the eyes. I mean, if we're going to make him appear more organic, and yet not quite human, he needs to have something...nonhuman, right? Darkseid can do, Superman can do, Zurg can do it.
And yes...he blinks. Plus, he has facial expressions more than anyone in the freakin' show! No mask can do that! Not that I've ever seen! Shoot. It squashes, it stretches, it expands his teeth or retracts them. C'mon. The animators are screwing with me, and I don't like it DX Masks are supposed to be rigid, and structured to be static. Not dynamic. I have a theory on the whole Crawling Flesh, by the way >D Plus! The freakin' thing cries actual TEARS! In the episode Lightyear Factor! I really hate these animators, but in a good way. They make me think XD
What was I about to say....oh. I don't think he's a cyborg per se. Just someone in armour. Battle armour on the outside, under armour underneath, maybe a special synthisuit to regulate the rocket boots and gauntlets to his control as the base layer of clothing? Of course we can't forget underwear...if he even wears THAT. I also think he's a tad...xenophobic. Doesn't want to touch anyone different that him, doesn't want to go out without his get-up, and most certainly doesn't like unannounced guests. Not racist, just...uncomfortable with others that aren't quite like him. I don't blame him. If I looked like that, I do all my shopping via their equivalence of the internet.
I forgot what else I was about to say! I got all hyper about a long Zurg post, and....FORGOT! DX
OHYEAH! Teeth! Ok...this is really stupid, so I blame the bleating of sheep for this one.
Right....I don't know exactly how to put this....but...without giving anything in my yet-to-be-written fanfic chapters, I say they're like keratin. Think baleen, here. Filters, if you will. You know, sort out all the harmful stuff in the air, and let in the clean junk to breath. Keratin is the second hardest biological matter when compared to chitin. I think.... Ahhh....I had this anatomical Zurg sketch for my fanfic, but I don't know where I put it. It was kind of gross....drawing organs and cut-ups of organs isn't pretty.
Oh...and as for the dual-sounding voice, I said dual vocal chords. I told you: Them sheep are crazy.
Anyway...that's just my view if he were...real. Get what I'm saying? Real....XDDDD Darn you Blacksteel! Look what you made me do!
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Post by RedRage on Jun 21, 2008 15:49:21 GMT -5
yeah, I don't think he is a cyborg "per se" either.
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Post by eez on Jun 21, 2008 15:58:48 GMT -5
OMG. I just realized that THAT was what the paper and towel was for! THE BATHROOM?!
UHHHHHHH! I didn't even realize that! I just heard bunzel muffins! DDDDX
I don't know what you're talking, your Honour, honestly! *whistles*
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Post by ckret2 on Jun 21, 2008 20:53:59 GMT -5
I figure he's got SOME organic parts to him somewhere, or else the stuff in Crawling Flesh wouldn't have affected him. XR wasn't affected, Zurg was, so obviously they're not made of the same stuff. What confused me was that his "armor" melted too, which would suggest the armor was a PART of him; but then again, when the Rangers melted, their suits melted as well. So who knows. I personally believe Zurg's like Vader, a dude in an awesome suit. I feel incredibly close-minded as a sci-fi fan for saying this, but I have a hard time picturing the Zurg we see as actually being the way some alien race looks. That'd be a really weird chain of evolution. I suppose it's possible, but I'm having difficulties imagining it myself. ...Although the Evil Emperor of Shred might change my mind about that. XD And, also... Oh, and him being Buzz's father. The writers would have to make a superb scenario if that turned out to be the case... which I highly doubt they can pull off. It would have to be very original and not at all like the Skywalker/Vader situation. If someone manages to pull it off in a way that's not reminiscent of Star Wars and is actually a good twist to the tale, I'll commend him. Anyone? *waves hand insanely* I'm writing that! I'm writing a Zurg-is-Buzz's-father fic! I've got about the first two chapters written. And it's nothing at all like Star Wars. For starters, the reason Zurg had a kid to begin with was because he decided that when he became an evil emperor and ruled the galaxy he'd need an heir. It... didn't work out very well for him. And Planet Z was originally Earth-in-the-future, before Zurg conquered it and kicked out or Brain Podified the other humans. ... Well, all the humans in the BLoSC universe had to come from SOMEWHERE... Okay, okay, I'll stop hijacking the thread. It's a very interesting topic, and a good question. The writers really did leave quite a few things vague... Then again, where would the fun be if we KNEW what Zurg was? We couldn't pretend he's an Irken.
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Post by eez on Jun 21, 2008 21:04:11 GMT -5
XD I'm telling you I have a theory for that, but I can't say it otherwise I'd ruin a piece of my fanfic! *headdesk* I hate keeping things in for too long....LOL. Oh well. And yeah, that would be weird on Nature's part, but c'mon....have you seen the alien race in KOTOR with two aliens sharing one body: One head on the back, and one head facing the other way in the front?! And they talk as one?! WTF. Someone got iffy with ideas, or lost track of deadlines XDDDDDD
I dunno....I've seen some pretty funky aliens in many aspects, and some are down right...well...Eeesh. I don't want to talk about some. Ben 10 is a GREAT example, but I like that show....Jet Ray FTW!
And I agree with what you said about the writers leaving it open. I don't think I'd have much fun with my biology if I couldn't come up with weird things with the sheep.
About that...yeah....I'm sorry. It was just a running gag I had with a few other Zurg fans XDDDD Sorry if it got out of control
And dang! He kicked out all the people in your fanfic?! I'd be ticked, and order a massive hate movement XD
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 22, 2008 0:18:25 GMT -5
BLACKSTEEL. You are the Yin to my Yang! XDDD This is just me, and I thought of all of this on a sugar-crazed afternoon, with nothing but the swaying grass and the frolicking sheep to keep my company: We have got to keep in touch! This has got to be some weird mind-connection thing! I'm so glad I'm not alone! I also say he has hands underneath them, but as for ammo...what if they're charged shots? Like, Samus Aran's regular power beam? No ammo required for that. Just the charge. But even for charging, it would have to come out from somewhere. But now that I look at it closely, perhaps the reason for the ion blaster being so cumbersome and large is because it's being charged at that minute. And maybe when the gauntlet morphs, the charge chamber in the ion blaster comes along with it? Gah, so confusing. My fault that I want a logical explanation. I mean, you can even hear solid footsteps when he walks around on certain occasions. Are you ever going to see those feet? Probably not. Insecurities are to blame, most likely XD Yeah, like when he STOMPS. I bet you he has cellulite or something. That's why he wears such a long skirt! As for the eyes....that's a hard one. I totally had to sleep on a sheep to get this one ready for a crazy spin. Special organs/glands behind/attached to the eyes. I mean, if we're going to make him appear more organic, and yet not quite human, he needs to have something...nonhuman, right? Darkseid can do, Superman can do, Zurg can do it. Plus! The freakin' thing cries actual TEARS! In the episode Lightyear Factor! I really hate these animators, but in a good way. They make me think XD I can't help but think that the eyes are real. And I totally forgot about those tears! See? This is what makes me think that those eyes are freaking real. Blinking, crying... how else?! Plus, he has facial expressions more than anyone in the freakin' show! No mask can do that! Not that I've ever seen! Shoot. It squashes, it stretches, it expands his teeth or retracts them. C'mon. The animators are screwing with me, and I don't like it DX Masks are supposed to be rigid, and structured to be static. Not dynamic. That's another thing that's got me wondering whether it's really a mask or not. I mean, it's probably a mask... but it's so d--n flexible! I don't think he's a cyborg per se. Just someone in armour. Battle armour on the outside, under armour underneath, maybe a special synthisuit to regulate the rocket boots and gauntlets to his control as the base layer of clothing? Of course we can't forget underwear...if he even wears THAT. I'm thinking just an artificial hand or two to explain the morphing gauntlet and stored energy for the ion blaster. That was really the only reason I was willing to go for cyborg. Before I started thinking about such technical details, I did think he was all dressed up in an armor-like getup. I also think he's a tad...xenophobic. Doesn't want to touch anyone different that him, doesn't want to go out without his get-up, and most certainly doesn't like unannounced guests. Not racist, just...uncomfortable with others that aren't quite like him. I don't blame him. If I looked like that, I do all my shopping via their equivalence of the internet. I caught a vibe or two of that in your fic. So obvious, xenophobia. XDD It didn't really come off on me in the show, though. I'd always thought that he didn't want people to touch him because, well, he's an Evil Emperor! Mere mortals cannot possibly touch such paragons of... evil. XDDD I forgot what else I was about to say! I got all hyper about a long Zurg post, and....FORGOT! DX What do you think happened to me when I saw this post? I think I fangirled when I woke up to such a great reply from you! OHYEAH! Teeth! Ok...this is really stupid, so I blame the bleating of sheep for this one. Right....I don't know exactly how to put this....but...without giving anything in my yet-to-be-written fanfic chapters, I say they're like keratin. Think baleen, here. Filters, if you will. You know, sort out all the harmful stuff in the air, and let in the clean junk to breath. Keratin is the second hardest biological matter when compared to chitin. I think.... Oh...and as for the dual-sounding voice, I said dual vocal chords. I told you: Them sheep are crazy. That's what I thought at first too! It's a filter so he doesn't inhale Warp's cigar smoke! Ehem. But when he's all hyper and ready to chow on popcorn... sorry? Like, how's he gonna eat THAT? There's got to be more to it! Or it's a mask and he completely forgot that he couldn't eat popcorn with it. And dual chords. I can't help but think it's the mask's fault for that... ANYWAY. Darn you Blacksteel! Look what you made me do! It's not my fault Zurg's so complicated! Though I like complicated. ;-) OMG. I just realized that THAT was what the paper and towel was for! THE BATHROOM?! UHHHHHHH! I didn't even realize that! I just heard bunzel muffins! DDDDX Ahahahahaha. I didn't realize it myself until I heard him go, "What did I miss?" and I'm like, "NO WAY! BATHROOM BREAK! WITH A NEWSPAPER!" That's such a classic! I don't know what you're talking, your Honour, honestly! *whistles* Riiiiiight. XDDD I figure he's got SOME organic parts to him somewhere, or else the stuff in Crawling Flesh wouldn't have affected him. XR wasn't affected, Zurg was, so obviously they're not made of the same stuff. What confused me was that his "armor" melted too, which would suggest the armor was a PART of him; but then again, when the Rangers melted, their suits melted as well. So who knows. Exactly. d--n those pesky writers. No, maybe the artists on this one. I don't get why the mask didn't melt when everything else did. Maybe to give us a hint that it is a mask? ...My head hurts now. I personally believe Zurg's like Vader, a dude in an awesome suit. I feel incredibly close-minded as a sci-fi fan for saying this, but I have a hard time picturing the Zurg we see as actually being the way some alien race looks. That'd be a really weird chain of evolution. I suppose it's possible, but I'm having difficulties imagining it myself. ...Although the Evil Emperor of Shred might change my mind about that. XD I was thinking Darth Vader-like at first too, but then Evil Emperor Of Shred did manage to change my mind. XDDD *waves hand insanely* I'm writing that! I'm writing a Zurg-is-Buzz's-father fic! I've got about the first two chapters written. And it's nothing at all like Star Wars. Then where is it? I need a LINK! I'm always eager to read good BLoSC stories. Okay, this post was unnecessarily long. XDDD
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Post by eez on Jun 22, 2008 0:27:38 GMT -5
BLACKSTEEL! *screams to the heavens of METAL* I was waiting for you all DAY XD *sugar craze begins*
Well...how big do you think a charger is? Certainly not tiny! Not for all the energy he puts out in a few seconds, anyway XD I dunno, I like to fall back on Alien technology for the gauntlets. It makes sense in my mind, but I sold it already, so....Oh well!
AND EW. Cellulite! That's nasty XD Shucks....you went THERE. Totally.
For it to be a mask....well....I WANT IT. I want to scare kids, and shoot freakin' lasers from my eyes! XDDD
I still say he's a guy in decked out armour. I had this reference sheet I did....had three layers to it...Again, I misplaced it DX
Yeah...don't go off of my fanfic. I went the other way with it XDDDD
And you just woke up? Shat....XD
See....I had two silly theories on how he ate if those really were his teeth, which couldn't be teeth if they were made of keratin. They're really stupid DX
I thought he was cooking, though! He said: Blasted Bunzel muffins. Then....I realized he had a towel and paper....EEEEEEeeeeeee!
And I didn't mean for my Evil Emperor of Shred to scare you guys XDDDD Which one did you see? The coloured version? Yeah...
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Post by Blacksteel on Jun 22, 2008 0:47:24 GMT -5
Really? DO YOU GUYS LIKE COFFEE? No, I want cappuccino, it's still too early for me. Time difference. It's a bugger, all right.
Probably alien technology it is. I can't think of a better reason. *sheepish grin*
CELLULITE IS NASTY! I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY HE'D WANT TO HIDE IT!
He already scares little kids even without laser beams. I like it that you says it's the horns that scares everyone the most... BUT NOOO, IT'S REALLY THE TEETH EVERYONE STARES AT!!
If you ever find that theoretical sketch of yours send a scan over here. *waves*
Hey, no sweat! If I wake up to such nice theories it totally makes my day!
Yeah, it's not like he chews. Well... he might and might not. GAH! CURSE YOU, WRITERS! AND ARTISTS!
I couldn't help but fangirl at that. What habits! XD I'd have personally taken a book with me, not a newspaper. But whatevers.
That was a good version! It didn't scare me, it INSPIRED ME. I would be honored to use it for an icon! Will you let me? *bats pretty Zurg eyes*
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Post by eez on Jun 22, 2008 0:52:32 GMT -5
I know! It isn't fair! DX
I'd feel sorry for him if he did have the big C...poor guy!
See....I got the horn thing from Hellboy, cause Hellboy didn't like to have HIS horned stared at, so I figured...why not? XD Yeah! I'd be staring at his teeth. That would be bugging me the most....or his way of saying 'vegetables' DX
Will do! I send you the armour reference, and the anatomical one too. I once did a lifesize Zurg cross-section. I don't know how tall he is, so I had to say 6'6" to be quick.
It makes my day too! Who else can I talk about Zurg with?! I know a few other Zurg fans, but they've been gone for like a week DX *boohoosob*
I take magazines....and books too! But I find myself drawing on my own porcelain THRONE XD
Er....well, I don't think it's icon worthy, but if you want, sure! I'd feel spifftastic!
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