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Post by eez on Dec 30, 2008 1:48:28 GMT -5
*blows sagely on a bubble pipe*
So...let me get this straight...you're trying to say that he is a...synthetic bio-mass of cellular destruction revolving around a metal-basis?
*blows harder*
I LOVE IT! At first I was like, wha, but now I'm like, Jim-crackin'-dandy! I get it! Cells that multiply to cover the dead ones, thus the appearance of being unscathed all time! You're also saying that his gauntlets are actually his hands, which on whim, he can morph into weapons? This so reminds me of a certain Marvel character, but I can't recall his name for the love of me! He's purple too, but five times as ugly. That almost makes Zurg like Dr. Spiro von Madman's Cryborg experiment. Perhaps...that's why the crystal people would be advantageous against one such as Zurg, if based on your theory.
LOL, molten iron. That explains the crankiness all the time. I bet that gives tons of indigestion and whatnot, if it's cheaply made! Pepto Zismal, baby! Popcorn shrimp-flavoured~!
Right, right! Ever-shifting horns! I hate that...the cartoon has his horns shifting and I know they're supposed to be different angles at times, but they move so much and I get confused myself. And it wouldn't be the first time people use horn augmentations! XD
Reactors...as in blood to power himself up, or his weaponry? I'm leaning on weaponry, even though I'm a poor gambler. That could also mean his blood has a charge to it, with those ions. Ooooh. Wouldn't be fun for him to be out in Planet Z's atmosphere then...he'd attract the lightning! But then again...he'd be fun at a casino!
Hermaphrodite! Best of both worlds, eh? Reminds me...what sort of evolutionary push was this to make him this way? It makes me wonder...what can cause a race to evolve into the ways of metallics and synthesized organs. Especially if it makes him a hermaphrodite. Does that make him asexual in reproduction? XD
In any case, I like how you're thinking! Do you have any sheep around you, perchance?
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Post by saron on Feb 18, 2009 21:52:31 GMT -5
*blows sagely on a bubble pipe* So...let me get this straight...you're trying to say that he is a...synthetic bio-mass of cellular destruction revolving around a metal-basis? *blows harder* I LOVE IT! Thank, I love it too! And you already saw a more complete version of my theory, but I'll answer your questions here anyways. *blows sagely on a bubble pipe* Reactors...as in blood to power himself up, or his weaponry? In any case, I like how you're thinking! Do you have any sheep around you, perchance? The reactors are like mitochondria, powering himself up plus his weaponry, as he can send out electric charges from his metal hands, like in Holiday Time. And no, I don't have any sheep around me, but little alpha warrens. Why do you ask?
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Post by Skyfire on Feb 19, 2009 16:49:28 GMT -5
Finding this thread, I just HAD to come and have my say.
And in my saying it, you even get part of his backstory from my flagship series. ;D
Zurg’s race, the Zetas (Anglicization of the true word), are very human in appearances – same basic body build and all. But the skin color is lavender and the red eyes still shoot lasers.
But when Zurg was around 30, he had an accident that left him quadriplegic and almost unable to even speak. Unwilling to live the rest of his long life (200 years, maybe?) as a helpless cripple, Zurg had a highly-advanced cyborg body built to his specifications, and had his brain and other working vitals transferred there. Think General Grievous, only more quality and more organic (also refer back to Saron’s earlier genius post about how he’s metallic and natural at the same time).
And the change from a humanoid head and face to a helmet-like head and face? That would be the ancient imperial war-mask of the Zetas – he’s an Evil Emperor, he had to have something… scary...
His hands do morph into a variety of weapons, the advanced version of Warp’s cybernetic arm. (Can’t let the lackeys have the same state-of-the-art gems, now can we? ;D)
His teeth… I’m not sure how they work, exactly, but his teeth do open and close. Just… only to eat and drink, not to talk. No liquidized popcorn shrimp! Teriyaki chicken instead – YAY!!
His body is extremely organic… it just isn’t 100% natural is all.
Mmm, okay, I think I said it all. Saron, you’re welcome to correct me if you find anything missing!
Oh yeah, and I still blame you for MUTATING me!
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Post by Blacksteel on Feb 19, 2009 17:13:45 GMT -5
I have reached the conclusion (not sure if I mentioned it before) that Zurg is the real deal. His face is too... emotional to be fake. (I had a different word in mind, but it is miserably eluding me at the moment; I blame it being past midnight over here.) And no, don't start on saying it's just the wonders of technology. A mere mask would not twist its face in displeasure, would not quirk its brows, would not shed tears. And don't go saying it's artificially made like XR's because XR as sure as heck can't eat and yet Zurg goes on and on about popcorn shrimp and bunzel muffins. (Plus, he goes to the bathroom, lulz.)
So I vote for him being an alien. So there. XDD
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Post by saron on Feb 19, 2009 18:49:14 GMT -5
Yay! You vote for him as an alien. That rocks!
And hey Skyfire, you joined the party!
In case anyone was confuzed about my Zurg, he's 100% alien, and as organic as any of us, except the basic components of his cells are made of metal instead of carbon.
I'll get a complete anatomy description up here a little later.
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Post by saron on Feb 19, 2009 19:28:14 GMT -5
ALIEN
A Zurgumentary (thank EEZ for the title)
With my latest version of Zurg, his pores can open or close upon will, but keeps his skin shut whenever around poisonous substances or in the cold void of space. This way, he doesn't need an AC, and I can make him break into a cold sweat if I want him to. Think of stomata, except not based on how much water is in the pores, but upon contraction and relaxation of microfibrils made of steel or some other metal mized in with crystallic molecules permeated by iodine, which gives him that purple coloring we all love and accounts for his durability. The molecules are extremely condensed, making him rather hard (and his hands are super condensed, with less iodine, making them appear like metal guantlets).
As for nutrition, he drinking blenderized food products through his filter-like teeth which form microscopic gaps as he scrunches his mouth up and the fibers bow inwards. No chewing needed. His long muscular tongue mizes the contents of the food in his mouth, smushing the mush into a homogenized mixture, as his two saliva glands pump in a lot of water to help the mixture go down more easily.
His esophagus is still molten metal proof, and he could drink liquid iron if he wanted, but the days of fast food have made him grow soft and out of practice, so moletn metals may be too hot for him to handle. Ah well, bring on the protein shakes!
When his mouth is stretched out (as it normally is) the gaps disappear, and it becomes a tight shield once more. And no, he doesn't suffocate to death as he has an extra pair of lungs that store oxygen for up to 3 hours (which is parrtly why he can survive deep space.)
The size of the gaps are why he practically lives off of protein shakes, as liquid gets through much more easily than solid objects, which would have to be shoved through, and can get entangled in the fibers. And Zurg is a health conscious nutjob, although he does have the occasional blenderized popcorn shrimp colada, minus all alcoholic products.
The horns are very sensitive to electromagnetic fields, like how hammerhead sharks can also sense magnetic fields, except Zurg's horns are so intuned, he can distinguish between the whole spectrum. His horns have built in microscopic tuning forks, made of magnesium nano-tubes, that are of different lengths, and are specifically tuned to picking up key signatures, including radio wavelengths and other communication waves, which he has learned to commit to certain words and sounds, and is why he can use the horn as an earphone to talk to lackeys. It comes in handy when he forgets to bring his z-phone along. Each bundle of forks of a different length are connected to specific nerve pathways that transmit changes in frequency and wavelength to the brain, or so I think. Sound waves are picked up by different sensory cells in his horns, which are able to specify between a much broader range of sound decibels, starting from human voices to very high sounds.
As for his sense of smell (which I forgot to right about), molecules can move through the small gaps in his teeth, where they are suctioned into an opening in the roof of his mouth covered by a flap of tissue that keeps liquids out, but allows gasses in, where it reaches his highly developed olfactory bulb that allows him to detect concentratiosn of parts per billion. He's like a purple bloodhound!
His metallic/organic cells, they are very adaptable, and quickly multiply to hide whatever damage he may receive when battling with Buzz Lightyear, the annoying grub next door, and the cheap salesperson who wouldn't accept his coupon even though it hadn't expired yet!
His cells are powered by mini-fusion reactors, which give him explosive amouts of energy, but need time to cool off before he can use them to power his special abilities, which is why he doesn't constantly use his laser vision, ion blaster, or random blue energy that he made during the Christmas episode.
I don't believe that sugar or caffeine ever played a role in his ancestor's past. They mostly ate mercury (a liquid metal at room temperature) or scalding hot melted elements, such as potassium and the like, as it was a much more direct source of fuel, but it the present day no one--not even robots--eat stuff like that, which is why Zurg had to overtax his digestive system with breaking down our organicc nutrients into their constitutent elements, and is the sole reason why he needs high fiber Bunzel muffins to help clear out his systems. He will not drink motor oil because he believes it is for those beneath him, like XR, and Zurg does NOT want to be labeled as a robot, although that is preferred to people finding out that he's an alien who doesn't even know what happened to his race.
I think that Zurg can handle a little sugar as long as it's broken down immediately, and in the parts per million concentration level, but if there's too much intake it all rushes into his blood (made of silver mized with compounds of a foreign nature), quickly rushes into his cells, and overloads his system with too much energy. HYPER evil emperor, and away!
I don't think he has a pancreas or a liver, but a highly developed web of detosifying and digesting cells spread out in a net throughout his body, which I call detobytes. They store powerful enxymes that rip apart any foreign fuel molecule into their constitutent elements, supplying a smaller burst of energy than his fusion cells which are used for more colorful displays of power as notified earlier. These smaller bursts of energy are used directy to power his body with pure energy/electricity because Zurg's species is almost like an organic robot (see the paradox?). And due to his great ability to extract a ton of energy from only a small bit of matter, he doesn't need to eat very often, and when he does, he eats like a bird.
The detobytes surround his stomach and intestines attached; these organs are mucyh hardier and can withstand a ph of -1 (don't ask me how that's possible. He's the alien.) He also has no a ctual heart, but a system of 5 bulges located along his arteries that punp his blood where it needs to go. One is located in each limb (the arms and legs), and the largest one is in his central cavity.
He does have a brain (located in his teryllium reinforced skull), but it is green/bluish because of cadmium ions and copper ions that are used in his silicate nerve cells. (Silicate is used in computer chips due to its vast storage potential). If you really wanted, you could say Zurg's brain is wired for evil literally!
His horns are able to pick up radio waves and other electromagnetic fields that people don't notice. Usually Zurg tunes that information out unless he is expecting a call, or if there is a big enough change in the stimulation.
They are also extremely sensitive, as they are peppered with sensory nerve endings. The horns are used more for decoration in his species, but in the past, evolution first designed them to be used in mating rituals with one banging the other's head. Both the males and the females competed in the events to make certain that only the strongest were paired together. And I believe his primitive ancestors were metivores (eating mostly metal). They used their heat vision to melt the stuff!
A theory for why the horns became so sensitive is that they were an important tool for his people, and damage to them could literally deafen them. To his ancestors who used the electromagnetic radiation to recognize different compounds in thier environment and to listen to their dual-toned voices, it was a horrible fate, if only a temporary one.
His dual-tones come from two voice boxes. They are flaps much like those of humans, but are made of some sort of calcium/carbon mesh, and are more inflexible, which is why he has that metal tinge to his voice.
His eyes are based off the tribolites' inorganic lens, which focuses both objects far away and close up at the same time like a video camera. Nearsightedness never happens (Zurg is just fond of those cute little spectacles; his vision is in reality better than a hawk's).
In the Zanatmoy, he does have extremely dense honeycombed bones based on a lead structure, with pockets of a carbonic terrylium alloy further strengthening the bones through the spaces. Zurg's bones are thicker that the average male, so they wouldn't snap in half under his immense build.
His tendons are like steel calbes, only much flexible and patterned after the highly effective strands of spider webs. I did spider webs are structurally stronger and more stable and stronger than steel, so I combined the two to hold up his body. But don't let all this metal fool you: the more carbon based molecules make the materials feel a lot softer without reducing the integrity of the material, like how Octopi's horned beaks get softer and softer as you go back into its head while still being semi-inorganic and durable.
And I will not get into the reproductive system because I won't. I just won't. Suffice to say that he's male.
My Zurg's original planet had intense gravity fields that fluctuated due to solar storms (as the planet was very closely located to their star, like Mercury), that caused the need for the organic beings to be composed primarily of cells constructed from metallic compounds, but his ancestors left it long ago when the star collapsed, and they had been a nomadic race ever since, flying across the stars and bent on conquering a home of their own.
The way my Zurg sees is pretty much like our vision except in ultraviolet light, so he is attracted to certain color schemes, and the bright purple, red, and yellow colors help guide his eyes. The nasty white and green color look very neutral to him, and he finds the lack of visual stimulation quite dull.
His feet I picture as much more slender than Buzz's, grey just like his hands, and they have ankles. He doesn't have toes, as they're all fused together looking like a shoe of sorts, except with delicate arches and heels.
I suppose you could paralyse the emperor in pain if you hit his horns hard enough, as they are quite sensitive. If you managed to knock his horns clear off, they would regrow back in 3 months because what fun would a purple cueball be? He wouldn't be able to scare his enemies then, and would get constant references to a pool table. On that note, does he sharpen his horns with that blue thing you use to sharpen pool sticks? He has to keep them from getting too long after all.
Horns are much more variable in design with Zurg's people, with females generally letting their horns grow longer (like having longer hair). The horns can be prodded into growing into different shapes based on how you bend them during their early stages.
His horns, they must be covered in sheets of highly condensed carbon like an armadillo's shell, so electrical storms don't zap him to death.
There are three levels of the nanofilms making up his skin, comprised of nylon, carbon, and iodine tied into a tightly woven net. The first layer is one mm thick, the second a centimeter, and the third an inch. The third layer is a reserve for cells if there are any major injuries, the midle layer keeps lengthening to ensure that any nicks and bruises are covered up as quickly as they form, and the top layer is just for show.
And Zurg has no fingernails, as his slender fingers area pointy enough as it is! Speaking of his hands, they're real, grey, and quite sharp. The bracers are just alien tech that can morph into ion cannons and the like, but the weapons are powered by the energy beams he forms in his hands, which is why his hand is hidden within the heart of the artillery, powering up the device.
For Zurg's maximum age, I'd say his people can live to be around 1000 years, give or take a couple centuries. Anything more than that is a little pointless. Currently, I want Zurg to be in his late 200s to early 300s (and you'll see how that is possible even with the ancient past, as he was alive during the height of Planet X's reign).
Once again, Zurg is an organic being, but nature based his cells off of metal components as opposed to carbon molecules that make up humans.
Whew! I explained a lot more than I thought I wood. I hope this sounds feasible to you! (And no, I don't believe his feet morph into rocket boots. He really did get those on sale. We've got some survelliance video to prove it!)
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Post by Skyfire on Feb 20, 2009 15:32:25 GMT -5
*faints at Saron's evil genius* Hon, you would make the Big Z himself PROUD. ;D Oh, come on! There are ways of being cyborg and still being able to do just about everything a normal being can (except for one, but let's not get into that). For crying out loud, in Star Wars EU, there are HRDs, Human Replica Droids! The most advanced was Guri, a woman-droid, who could eat and drink and did use the bathroom! It's NOT outside the realm of plausibility! So there! *nods emphatically* Check out "Ghost in the Shell" on YouTube - Japanese anime about humans in cyborg bodies. I don't watch it myself, but my cousin gave me some links, and it inspired my theory that Zurg is a cyborg. (Btw, they ate, too, I'm pretty sure.) Okay, I guess that's it for now.
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Post by saron on Feb 20, 2009 15:53:51 GMT -5
My only question left is why would those Japanese androids need to eat and use the bathroom? Just for kicks?
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Post by Alohilani on Feb 20, 2009 17:25:23 GMT -5
What if he's faking eating and stuff, to throw people off?
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Post by Skyfire on Feb 21, 2009 7:37:21 GMT -5
My only question left is why would those Japanese androids need to eat and use the bathroom? Just for kicks? I think the idea was to keep humans human, even if they weren't in their original organic bodies. I would think that Zurg transferring into a cyborg body would do the same... just upgrade it a little. ;D Could be, but I'd rather that it was for real.
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Post by Blacksteel on Feb 22, 2009 5:30:43 GMT -5
Saron: Homygawd, that took me quite a while to read! Biology was never my strong point, but most of what you've said sounds pretty believable, in a strange, Zurgish way. I'm quite proud, actually. Just goes to show how much you care, putting so much thought into such an awesome concept! You go, gal! <333
Alohilani: I wouldn't put it past him. He's quite tricky like that, isn't he? XD
Skyfire: I have seen Ghost in the Shell. I am an anime freak, and that's like THE movie you must see if you like anime. But you have to take into account the extent of science and technology and not just how far human imagination can go. For example, you can't create a machine that can defy the law of physics. No, not even someone with more advanced technology than ours could do that. Science can't be bent to comply to someone's whims. If you want to be realistic, you need to address the laws of physics. Our technology may be quite limited, but the laws of physics are universal and cannot be broken, not even with supposed "advanced" technology. There are some things that are just not plausible. And all those shows and books don't count because they're the products of imagination, and imagination gone haywire at that. Good sci-fi books are those that don't dismiss the laws of physics.
And by the way, a cyborg isn't a robot. More specifically:
A cyborg is is a cybernetic organism (i.e., an organism that has both artificial and natural systems). Fictional cyborgs are portrayed as a synthesis of organic and synthetic parts. [They] may be represented as visibly mechanical, or as almost indistinguishable from humans. Real (as opposed to fictional) cyborgs are more frequently people who use cybernetic technology to repair or overcome the physical and mental constraints of their bodies.
And concerning droids and androids:
A droid is a kind of robot, specifically an intelligent robot. More specifically, droids are defined as self-aware robots, although this does not imply sentience. The word droid originated as a contraction of "android". It is used to describe just about any robot, even those not humanoid in appearance. Some droids do, however, exhibit human-like behavior; for example, they may react emotionally or think intelligently and self-reflectively. (This kind of reminds me of XR for some reason, lol.)
An android is a robot designed to look and act human. The word derives from ανδρός, the genitive of the Greek ανήρ anēr, meaning "man", and the suffix -eides, used to mean "of the species; alike" (from eidos, "species").
Unlike the terms robot (a "mechanical" being) and cyborg (a being that is partly organic and partly mechanical), the word android has been used in literature and other media to denote several different kinds of artificially constructed beings:
* a robot that closely resembles a human * an artificially or synthetically created being that closely resembles a human
Of course, I don't know whether this may be the same for HRD's. I'm not that familiar with the Star Wars universe. And I'm not that sure about synthetic tissue and organs and if they really can, well, give you such abilities. What I mean to say is, a machine has no need to consume food to survive like living organisms, so would a synthetically-fabricated robot need food to keep "working"? Or do they simply eat so they can "seem" like humans, not because they "have" to? My memory's fuzzy, but I think something similar happened in Bicentennial Man? I think I need to rewatch that part...
...And I think I'll go ask my dad about this. Science and physics is his major, so he could explain this much better than the rest of us. ^^;;
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Post by saron on Feb 22, 2009 8:54:17 GMT -5
Saron: Homygawd, that took me quite a while to read! Biology was never my strong point, but most of what you've said sounds pretty believable, in a strange, Zurgish way. I'm quite proud, actually. Just goes to show how much you care, putting so much thought into such an awesome concept! You go, gal! Zanky you! I tried to make him believable, and I laugh in the face of herbivores/omnivores/carnivores, by substituting my own version. And now, as Zurg's a metivore by nature, he has to avoid snacking on his own hornets. ^^ But really, the credit should go to EEZ for getting me to try and puzzle out Big Z's anatomy. If you liked my version, hers is far more impressive. Maybe if you ask, you can get a basic run-down of that Zurgumentary.
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Post by Blacksteel on Feb 22, 2009 14:38:28 GMT -5
Oh, I've seen it. It's quite detailed. Diagrams, character sheets and everything!
Oh, and I did ask my dad and he said it's not possible. A robot, even one with synthetic organs and tissues cannot possibly consume food because it would have no need for it. They just don't process food like living organisms do.
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Post by Skyfire on Feb 22, 2009 16:20:45 GMT -5
Oh, now that just takes the fun out of it. This isn't just his brain, though: it's his brain, spinal cord, eyes, heart, lungs, and other vitals. The idea is a synthetically-created organic body, if you will. (Well, you probably won't, but... eh, whatever.)
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Post by Blacksteel on Feb 22, 2009 16:34:47 GMT -5
As in he has all those already, or are all those synthetically made along with the synthetic body? Because if all of those are synthetically made... then he's a machine, not an organic?
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